Is random and invasive noise a given in the brave new paradigm that is the burning culture?

topic posted Thu, April 26, 2007 - 3:38 AM by  Unsubscribed
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Greetings All,

I haven't been to Burning Man, and I didn't get to Kiwiburn this year.

I have followed the Burning Man culture via friends and online for a bout 10 years now. I am delighted that it happens, that people go, especially people I know. One of the big reasons I don't go is a total unwillingness to subject myself to uncomfortable (for me) noise levels for several days in a row. I have no moral issue against noise, just a nervous system that is quickly fried if I don't get to rest it when I need to.

I don't think I am alone in this as it seems part of the cultural norm to have to 'recover' after a burn.

OK, that is fine for fit young single people who have no dependants to care for, who can afford to party large for a few days no matter the consequences. It is not OK for, lets see, lots of older people I know, children, lots of people I know caring for children, people with health related disabilities, people with hearing disabilities. Etc.......

So, my question is this and I have no vested interest in the answer. Is the burn culture largely for fit young white self seeking single people (or people who wish they were) who consider creative expression and freedom synonymous with the ability to generate and need to tolerate random loud noise at any time of the day or night?

Just curious. I can't see anything directly about this in the official literature.
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  • "Burning Man is dedicated to radical self-expression, but it is also dedicated to creating community. This means we all must find a way to get along with our neighbors. "

    Burning Man has got an offical policy (<a href=www.burningman.com/on_the_p...l)</a> , or as official as it gets. The way I see it, its a balancing act, between letting people do what they want, and having to cope with disagreements over what is or isn't acceptable. And like all balancing acts, there's no one single solution.

    This can be made less of a problem by good city planning. Last year's centre camp was in the wrong place, and by that I mean I had ear plugs, ear muffs and was sleeping in a closed up van and it was still bloody loud. And as Urs pointed out, at about 5 am, if people have to drive home the next day, keeping them awake when they want to sleep isn't terribly safe.

    The site isn't short on space for people to be loud and for people to get some sleep. So I reckon we can make this not a problem for most people.

    But fundamentally yes, the whole BM experience is supposed to be inclusive of all. But its also based around an extreme experience in a harsh environment, which isn't welcoming of all. There's a tension there that's unresolved. How do you make it suitable for someone in a wheelchair, without making it suitable for someone who just wants to come along, sit down, drink chardonay, and watch all the amusing hippies?
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      Thanks for such a comprehensive answer.

      In answer to your possible rhetorical question:

      "How do you make it suitable for someone in a wheelchair, without making it suitable for someone who just wants to come along, sit down, drink chardonay, and watch all the amusing hippies?"

      I think - communities are not responsible for thinking through every access issue people may come with. However, (I believe) the spirit of inclusivity requires a commitment to at least be willing to have a debate before choosing to exclude on the basis of access. For instance, it is likely not feasible to make a paddock suitable for a wheelchair. but there are lots of other mobility options which could be explored before the idea gets chucked in the 'too-hard-basket.'

      I've been on both sides, more than once, for different reasons, and I know it can be just as horrible to have to say "sorry, we're not suitable for you" as it is to be excluded.

      Thanks
      • Jez has hit the nail on the head with regards to the official policy and i can't comment on Kiwiburn but maybe I shed some light on how it works on the playa

        The playa gets its fair share of disabled people, and by and large the ORG does their best to help out, they are expected to bring everything they need and the ORG allows them to get special permits for motorised vehicle if they are physically disabled but the event is still 'Radical Self reliance' and this extends to everybody. if you are incapable of dealing with the environment you shouldn't go, nobody will stop you, but if you get evac'ed you'll get stuck with the medical bills.

        The playa is big enough for everybody to find their own zone, that's why camps like Hush Vill came into existence (a theme camp dedicated to quiet) the sound camps are put out on the edge of the horse shoe where their speakers can be pointed into the deep playa and if you camp out on the edges of the city its pretty damm quiet at night. But you will always get Camp A and Camp B in an all out yelling match because one wants to have an all night dance party and the other wants to sleep.

        This is generally where the Black Rock Rangers can help and do help. by stepping in and attempting to mediate the situation in a non confrontational way, by finding a solution both parties are happy with, Its an interesting situation, Camp a is free to express need for sleep while Camp b is free to express their desire to play music :)

        on a side not there is a max db rating camps can push out of their speakers one rating for in the city and another for the large sound installation camps.

        Is the Playa for the young and free, i really think the black rock cencus speaks volumes
        afterburn.burningman.com/04/ce...x.html

        I think of Burningman as more of a city than a party in the desert, young people will be young people and they will party, but old people will be old people too and have dinners with friends and hang out with their families, make art, the playa is for everyone and no matter who you are or what you want, you can find a place for yourself out there. my friends out there range from 18 to 65 and only a small number are actually there to just party. hell i spend my week out there working :)

        dance camps and loud noise are only one part of the experience, there is so much more out there.

        I hope this answers your question and I'm always happy to answer questions about the playa :)

        -Tuatha
  • I agree with the other comments that have been made, so won't add much except to say,

    it is one of my personal missions for next year to ensure that the quiet camping zone really is quiet. The placement of centre camp/any noisy camps will be carefully looked at in this regard.

    I think it's unlikely that the quiet zone will be utterly silent, but the level of sound there should be so low that it should not be intrusive, ie no more than the background noise level in a city.

    Also, I personally (and I think most burners) don't want it to be a place for 20-something white people. I want it to be for Chinese, Samoan, Maori, Russian, Polish, Argentinian... and as many other cultures who want to join in as possible. I am not sure what the average age was at the last Kiwiburn, but there were a number in their 40s and a few in their 50s and 60s. Long may it last.
    • Actually, the median age for BM is in the 30's, according to polls, and certainly according to my experience at both BM and KB. I also think earplugs are highly recommended technology, in any situation you may find yourself with other people exisiting nearby, when you are camping or otherwise sharing accomodations more closely than your own bricks and mortar where you can lock yourself metres away and behind several layers of soundproofing from any other human who might have different habits to yourself. I learned this last week sharing a room with 5 guys, 2 of whom snored. I <3 earplugs.

      Burning Man has taught me some extremely valuable life skills! :)
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        Earplugs? I love earplugs!

        Wed, May 2, 2007 - 4:30 AM
        I went to bed last night wearing my heavy duty decibal ones, the silicon ones that you mold to fit your ear. My daughter started cleaning her room at 10pm and no way was I going to stop this. We live in a converted 70's motel with paper thin walls. anyway apparently the vacuum cleaner came out - I was blissfully unaware.

        The last festival I went to I was proud to camp near the wettest, grossest snorer you have ever ever heard - as did Kathy (also earplug aware) - we were fine. God though, he was amazing. I told him a couple of times I had to stop myself swinging my boot into his tent just for fun. (If you ever join tribe and read this - you know who you are - I only have two words for you - STOP EATING DAIRY!)

        I always have earplugs with me - They are great on the bus when the driver decides it's time to listen to the most commercial radio station at full volume. And so on. I could go on.

        Yes, I love earplugs. They are like a room within a room. if and when I make it to KB I'll have spares, for sure.